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9 Responses to “The Degree to Which you Resist is the Degree to Which You Are Free!”

  1. Frank O'Brien Says:

    I agree with the Bill Kraus quote 100%. We have been too safe. We spend too much time worrying about straight people being uncomfortable and making sure we don’t hurt the Democrats.

    However, civil disobedience needs to be EFFCTIVE.

    In SF, I see a lot of protesting and civil disobedience for the sake of protesting and civil disobedience. Though it may be cathartic to be arrested and change how we feel “about being queer”. It’s not the point. Civil disobedience is a means not an end.
    The end here is equality. The end is preserving individual Liberty and religious Freedom. The end here is protecting our families… you know all this.

    On the day the Iraq war started, protesters shut down the downtown San Francisco. There were many arrests and lots of pats on the back for the people envolved in the protests. “Whose Streets? … Our Streets!” It was completely ineffective. It didn’t slow down the war and alienated people who agreed with the protesters. I think it marginalized the anti-war movement right at time when their voice was so needed.

    I agree that civil disobedience is one of our next steps, assuming the court rules against us. However, it needs to be effective. Blocking highway ramps is not a good use of this tool. It’s too random and it just pisses people off. It doesn’t make them think.

    How about something like closing down county clerks offices by filling them with same sex couples who will not leave until they are issued a marriage licenses. Picture the police having to remove them from the clerk’s office. They would be forced to physically pull apart couples who are just trying to get married. Now that’s the kind of video you want to see on the nightly news.

    Civil disobedience can be an effective tool but it needs to be used sparingly and smartly. Misusing or overusing it actually decreases its effectiveness going forward.

    Thanks for all your efforts.

    See you in the streets tomorrow,

    Frank

  2. Jeff Says:

    We live in an ever increasing brain washed society! Women will not eat and many who do induce vomiting later. Hetero sexual society has moved from plump women being sexy (or the nape of the neck in the orient) to skinny models with big boobs. Breast augmentation was all the rage just ten years ago. In the islands big women are still sought after and desirable. If two men are subjected to intense physical scrutiny it is impossible to tell which one is gay and which is not. The gay community grows and grows. Sensitive and artistic men are sent signals by society from their birth. A few gay men come out of the closet and protest their treatment by other men. Incensed the rest of the other more sensitive men band together and stand up for their rights. The pain and anguish they feel is real and they are convinced that they have a condition from birth. Ironically, now society is stating that anorexia or bulimia is from birth. I suppose the argument could be made that wanting big breasts is also from birth. The brain washing goes on and to the ones who were so sensitive in the first place it becomes the only focal point of life. Just like TMS (a chronic back pain that is induced by the unconscious mind) so goes being gay, being anorexic and a whole host of other maladies. The results are real but the cause is not and belief is totally necessary either way for supposed truth to result. While we all differ in personality and sensitivity or how much we are made to feel part of one group over another plays a role you are ultimately left with the physiology of the two men syndrome. Put a bag over their head and examine the parts and you will find that men are men and women are women — the rest is what we bring to the table in our susceptibility to be brain washed and have our emotions gush out in such a rush that we don’t even understand them.

  3. Lynn Ballen Says:

    David & Frank -
    I agree about CD needing to be Effective & Targeted. My partner Jeanne Cordova & I were invited to be part of a group of couples that tried to obtain a marriage license as part of the Tuesday rally in East LA, organized by Latino Equality Alliance, protesting the upholding of Prop 8.
    Instead of just ‘politely leaving’ like the other couples - after getting denied- the two of us chose to take this a step further. Jeanne has a longtime history of activism & we weren’t naive. We had organized an affinity group, got legal advice & support . We refused to leave the LA County Registrar’s office after denial of a license, blocked service windows & “sat-in” with our supporters for 3 hours. Regular business was disrupted & no marriage licenses could be issued!
    We emphasized that we were a couple who had been together 20 yrs & weren’t there with the goal of getting arrested, but were prepared to take a stand. The Sheriffs were intimidating but very careful - there were press & a legal observer in there & the LASD did not want to arrest us. But press coverage & visibility were worth it. A similar action took place in San Diego yesterday (Wed) = more great coverage on local TV, more sympathetic visibility of the issue.
    And a whole bunch of LGBT groups (some affiliated with SoulForce, who follow Ghandi’s principles) are now prepared to do more CD. More is going to happen!
    There’s a column up right now on Bilerico Project (by Patricia N Warren) against CD- everyone should go & comment on the site!

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